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Linking You Up. You’re Welcome.

I was just catching up with some of my favorite blogs, and thought, rather than overloading our Facebook page (please Like us!) with links, I’d post them all here and let you scroll through for your own reading pleasure.

Kathy Escobar on 10 Tangible Ways We Can Work Toward Equality in the Church.  She gives some great advice for making changes to balance the power between men and women in our churches.

I really liked this post from Tyler Standley : 6 People Who Should be Banned from Evangelicalism (or a lesson in consistency).  He points out that the prominent leaders, or “gatekeepers,” of today’s evangelicalism, who call out numerous Christians as heretics and false teachers for disagreeing on issues like evolution, hell, inerrancy of Scripture, etc., would also denounce C.S. Lewis, Martin Luther, St. Augustine, William Barclay, John Stott, and Billy Graham.  He also wrote this post, The Evangelical Castle, naming some of the current “heretics” under fire.

Mimi Haddad, president of Christians for Biblical Equality, wrote The Bait and Switch of Complementarians.  Here’s a quote:

Please do not tell girls or women that they share equally in God’s image; that they are equal at the foot of the cross; that they are equal in the kingdom of God, that they should cultivate their minds equally, unless you are prepared to give them equal authority to use the gifts God has given them. To do otherwise is to bait girls and women with the truth of Scripture as it points to their inheritance in Christ, and then to switch—to deny them the opportunities to walk in newness of life—in using their God-given gifts with equality authority. To advocate for the education of females based on the aims of Christian discipleship is inseparable from God’s aims for men and women created in God’s image—where both shared authority in Eden (Genesis 1:26- 28); and as recreated in the image of Christ who extends equal authority to his disciples, both male and female (John 20:18-23).

I did post this video on our FB page a few days ago, but it is a MUST SEE, so I’m making sure you see it again!  Sarah Bessey message that You are Not Forgotten.  And here’s an interview she did with The Junia Project about her book, “Jesus Feminist.”  Here’s one of her answers:

“Feminism is not simply about the hot button issues in American evangelical churches – should women preach or not.  It is more about the global story of women – maternal health, education for girls, the status of women in the world today. All these major social issues of our time, clean water, human trafficking or even eating disorders track back to our theology of women. The tag line on the book -the radical notion that women are people, too- is definitely more hyperbolic, but it establishes a baseline.”

Love this picture and quote:

from Silvia Ferreira Photography, 1/2/14, www.raspberryessence.blogspot.com

from Silvia Ferreira Photography, 1/2/14, http://www.raspberryessence.blogspot.com

I’ve enjoyed all of Bob Edward’s posts on The Junia Project.  Here is a fascinating and informative video Bob made, where he addresses the question of “Where did we go wrong?  An in-depth exploration of the emergence of male authority in the church.”  He is coming from the perspective of a social worker and psychotherapist and college professor.  He explains how role modeling, instruction and reinforcement socialize people to make the norms of their environment their own internal norms – how they are supposed to function – and how this takes place in regards to gender.

Here is a painting of the Last Supper that includes 12 women disciples, who are not named as being present at the celebration, but are named in the Gospel accounts as disciples of Jesus who travelled with him.  The artist is John Coburn from Australia.

Sandra Glahn explains that Betty Frieden did not start the “woman’s movement” – Christians did, in The Feminists We Forgot for Christianity Today’s Hermeneutics.

This is an older post, but I just read it recently and loved it! Paul’s Masculine and Feminine Leadership, from Margaret Mowczko.

I won a book from Elizabeth Esther!  It’s not hers…it’s “Spiritual Misfit: A Tale of Uneasy Faith” by Michelle DeRusha.  I can’t remember the last time I won something, so I am pretty excited.  I will definitely review the book here after I read it.  But I did want to share this awesome post from Elizabeth, entitled, “A Tale of Mrs. Judge-y Pants and how she learned that being honest is better than trying to be good.”  She talks about the difference between trying to look good vs. be good.

Ann Voskamp shares beautiful pictures and stories and videos from around the web to give you something to wonder at over the weekend: Multi-vitamins for Your Weekend.

“How to say yes to God with safe faith is no longer enough” is SUCH A POWERFUL POST from Kristen Welch, author of Rhinestone Jesus, on how her Christianity was transformed by a trip to Kenya with Compassion International in 2010.

And finally, here is Rachel Held Evan’s Sunday Superlatives – a list of her favorite blog posts from around the web.

Happy reading!

EDIT: I meant to add this powerful video we watched in church today: Dr. Brenda Scott McNeil on Do What You See the Father Doing.

Quoting the Founding Fathers of Complementarian Theology

There is an AWESOME list of quotes from theologians spanning the ages who have spawned and perpetuated the teachings of complementarianism, on Amazon.com of all places (responding to a negative review of Sarah Bessey’s book, “Jesus Feminist”).  The author of this awesomeness is Bob Edwards, whose articles are frequently featured on The Junia Project.  Here is the link to the actual Amazon page, and here is Bob’s awesome reply to the “Jesus Feminist” hater:

50 of 50 people found the following review helpful

5.0 out of 5 stars In response to a one star review, posted by a reader named “Steve.”, Feb. 7 2014
This review is from: Jesus Feminist: An Invitation to Revisit the Bible’s View of Women (Paperback)
This is actually a review of a review. It is a response to a critique of Sarah Bessey’s book by a reader named “Steve.”Steve’s Criticism:
“First, Sarah Bessey loves to go after the straw man [i.e. a position that someone doesn’t actually hold]. Even the subtitle betrays this tendency: Exploring God’s Radical Notion That Women Are People, Too. Did Sarah seriously believe her complimentarian [sic] (Biblically minded non-egalitarian) friends would think it a radical notion that women are people too? Who has ever suggested they are not?”My Response:
Who indeed Steve? Here are some quotes from the architects of complementarian theology, and from those who continue to perpetuate it today:

“[For women] the very consciousness of their own nature must evoke feelings of shame.”–Saint Clement of Alexandria, Christian theologian (c150-215) Pedagogues II, 33, 2

“In pain shall you bring forth children, woman, and you shall turn to your husband and he shall rule over you. And do you not know that you are Eve? God’s sentence hangs still over all your sex and His punishment weighs down upon you. You are the devil’s gateway; you are she who first violated the forbidden tree and broke the law of God. It was you who coaxed your way around him whom the devil had not the force to attack. With what ease you shattered that image of God: Man! Because of the death you merited, even the Son of God had to die… Woman, you are the gate to hell.” –Tertullian, “the father of Latin Christianity” (c160-225)

“Woman is a temple built over a sewer.” –Tertullian, “the father of Latin Christianity” (c160-225)

“Woman was merely man’s helpmate, a function which pertains to her alone. She is not the image of God but as far as man is concerned, he is by himself the image of God.” – Saint Augustine, Bishop of Hippo Regius (354-430)

“Woman does not possess the image of God in herself but only when taken together with the male who is her head, so that the whole substance is one image. But when she is assigned the role as helpmate, a function that pertains to her alone, then she is not the image of God. But as far as the man is concerned, he is by himself alone the image of God just as fully and completely as when he and the woman are joined together into one.” –Saint Augustine, Bishop of Hippo Regius (354-430)

“Woman is a misbegotten man and has a faulty and defective nature in comparison to his. Therefore she is unsure in herself. What she cannot get, she seeks to obtain through lying and diabolical deceptions. And so, to put it briefly, one must be on one’s guard with every woman, as if she were a poisonous snake and the horned devil. … Thus in evil and perverse doings woman is cleverer, that is, slyer, than man. Her feelings drive woman toward every evil, just as reason impels man toward all good.” –Saint Albertus Magnus, Dominican theologian, 13th century

“As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence.”–Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church, 13th century

“The word and works of God is quite clear, that women were made either to be wives or prostitutes.” – Martin Luther, Reformer (1483-1546)

“No gown worse becomes a woman than the desire to be wise.” – Martin Luther, Reformer (1483-1546)

“Men have broad and large chests, and small narrow hips, and more understanding than women, who have but small and narrow breasts, and broad hips, to the end they should remain at home, sit still, keep house, and bear and bring up children.” – Martin Luther, Reformer (1483-1546)

“Thus the woman, who had perversely exceeded her proper bounds, is forced back to her own position. She had, indeed, previously been subject to her husband, but that was a liberal and gentle subjection; now, however, she is cast into servitude.” –John Calvin, Reformer (1509-1564)

“Even as the church must fear Christ Jesus, so must the wives also fear their husbands. And this inward fear must be shewed by an outward meekness and lowliness in her speeches and carriage to her husband. . . . For if there be not fear and reverence in the inferior, there can be no sound nor constant honor yielded to the superior.” – John Dod, A Plaine and Familiar Exposition ofthe Ten Commandements, Puritan guidebook first published in 1603

“The second duty of the wife is constant obedience and subjection.” – John Dod, A Plaine and Familiar Exposition ofthe Ten Commandements, Puritan guidebook first published in 1603

“The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.” — Pat Robertson, Southern Baptist leader (1930–)

“Women will be saved by going back to that role that God has chosen for them. Ladies, if the hair on the back of your neck stands up it is because you are fighting your role in the scripture. –Mark Driscoll, founder of Mars Hill nondenominational mega-church franchise. (1970–)
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“It is the natural order among people that women serve their husbands and children their parents, because the justice of this lies in (the principle that) the lesser serves the greater…. This is the natural justice that the weaker brain serve the stronger. This therefore is the evident justice in the relationships between slaves and their masters, that they who excel in reason, excel in power.” (St. Augustine, Questions on the Heptateuch, Book I, § 153, as cited at […])

“Let the woman be satisfied with her state of subjection, and not take it amiss that she is made inferior to the more distinguished sex.” (John Calvin, as cited in Oliphant, J. (2011). AQA Religious Ethics for AS and A2. New York, NY: Routledge)

“It means that a woman will demonstrate that she is in fact a Christian, that she has submitted to God’s ways by affirming and embracing her God-designed identity as—for the most part, generally this is true—as wife and mother, rather than chafing against it, rather than bucking against it, rather than wanting to be a man, wanting to be in a man’s position, wanting to teach and exercise authority over men.” (Bruce Ware, as cited in Taylor, S. (2013). Dethroning Male Headship, p. 109. Auburndale, FL: One Way Press)

Mark Driscoll explains that women are restricted from positions of teaching and authority at his church: “Paul forbids women to teach and exercise authority as elders-pastors…. So at Mars Hill Church, only elders preach, enforce formal church discipline, and set doctrinal standards for the church.” (as cited from […])

“To be a woman is to support, to nurture, and to strengthen men in order that they would flourish and fulfill their God-given role as leaders.” (Owen Strachan of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, as cited from […])

The New Bible Commentary, 21st Century Edition, interprets Ephesians 5 as stating that husbands are to be regarded as the “masters” of their wives, and that wives are commanded by God to “obey” them (Wenham & Carson, 1994).

To summarize, women have been depicted as less than fully human, more evil than men, inferior, less intelligent and born for a life of subjection to male authority. Their place, according to these authors, is in the home to bear and raise children for husbands that they must “obey” as their “masters.”

Does Sarah Bessey really “love to go after the straw man” as Steve suggests? I don’t think so.

Sadly, those with a prejudice—in this case against women–are often the last to see it. That is why they may think that others are arguing against a “straw man.” The straw man isn’t made of straw in this case at all. Some complementarians simply appear unable to recognize the deeply ingrained sexism of their worldview. Just because they can’t see it, doesn’t mean it isn’t there:

Sexism
[sek-siz-uh m] noun
1. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.

2. discrimination or devaluation based on a person’s sex, as in restricted job opportunities; especially, such discrimination directed against women.
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“Jesus Feminist” is a refreshing contrast to the sexism that is so prevalent in church history and that lingers on in a patriarchal (i.e. complementarian) worldview today. Sarah Bessey’s work is poetic and inspirational. She communicates a passionate view of the impartial love of Jesus with grace and eloquence.